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[ Created: 2023-04-11 07:04:18  Updated: 2023-04-11 07:58:06 Owner: rl ]
Title: Is there a heavenly Father other than the one who birthed Jesus and us?    
  
  
  
  

    

  
  
  
  


Trinitarians make a difference between the Father and the Holy Spirit.   I believe this confusion occurs because they do not grasp the import of these verses:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
Faith in the virgin birth is necessary for believing properly in Jesus.     If Jesus was born of of sinful man he would have been disqualified as Saviour.     

It is also necessary for you to believe in the deity of Jesus in order to be saved.     He is the express image of the Father.     He is the one who has all power in heaven and earth.     He is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father and the Prince Of Peace.     

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, you son of David, fear not to take unto you Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was fathered by the Holy Spirit.     Later when we hear Jesus talk about the Father, He is talking about the Holy Spirit.

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of the Holy Spirit.
Since the Holy Spirit birthed Jesus, the last phrase in this verse could be rendered: the Son of the Holy Spirit.     
    God is the generic term for divinity.     
    God is Spirit .     
    Therefore Divinity is Spirit.     
    The supreme divine Spirit is the Holy Spirit
    Christ Jesus is the image of His Holy Spirit.     
    Jesus is God.     

These verses clearly state that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Christ Jesus.   

When we consider the following statements by Christ Jesus we understand that Jesus is His own Father, by His Holy Spirit.   He birthed Himself.   
I and my Father are one.
Yes!     The whole Truth comes out.     

Jesus is the Lord (deity).     

God (deity) is Jesus.     

God (deity) is Spirit, hence He is the Holy Spirit.     The Holy Spirit made Himself a physical body and we call Him Jesus .     
It is through the body and soul of Jesus that His Holy Spirit expresses Himself in the Physical Realm.     

There are not three.     There is One and His name is Jesus the express image of His Holy Spirit .     
    Do you know the name of the Father?     
    Do you know the name of the Holy Spirit?     
    Do you know the name of the Son?     

There is One name of the One Creator and His name is Jesus.     
    It is in that name that we are saved.     
    It is in that name that we are healed.     
    It is in that name that all who reject Him will be judged.     

Just as you are Spirit Soul And Body, so is our Lord Jesus Christ in whose image we were created and by whose sacrifice we are redeemed.     

No man has seen the Holy Spirit at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Holy Spirit, he has declared him.
Keep in mind:
    God is a Spirit
    Holy Spirit is God
    Holy Spirit is Father
    Holy Spirit is the Spirit Of Christ Jesus.     

I rather think that the Holy Spirit has not ever been `seen` and cannot be `seen`.     The fact that He is omnipresent means that there are no edges to His form.     Without edges a thing cannot be distinguished.     There must be something next to it with which to contrast it.     

Jesus revealed the Holy Spirit by operating in the Holy Spirit, speaking His words and doing His works.     

Jesus is Spirit Soul And Body.     

Jesus` Spirit is the Holy Spirit who gave birth to Him.     Jesus is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and so He, in a sense, is His own Father.     

Jesus` Holy Spirit begat His body and fills Him, and crowns Him and manifests Himself (Holy Spirit) physically in Jesus.     

Being in the bosom of the Father speaks to the Soul and Body of Jesus resting in His own Holy Spirit.

If you had known me, you should have known my Father also: and from henceforth you know him, and have seen him.
To know Jesus is to know the Father.     To not know Jesus is to be unknown to the Father.     Jesus is the express image of the Father who is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip?     he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?
Jesus states categorically who He is - the express image of the Father.     

You can hear the hurt and amazement in Jesus` voice as He responds.     

Jesus tells Philip that He is the Father.     He then rebukes Philip for even doubting that He is the Father.

Clearly Jesus is the Father.   But we said earlier that the Holy Spirit is the Father.   How can this be?   

Our Creator is Spirit Soul And Body just as we are who were created in His image .   
And the very Holy Spirit of peace sanctify you wholly; so that your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This verse reveals the makeup of man which, because we are created in His image, is the makeup of God.     

What is that makeup?     Spirit Soul And Body

I am Spirit Soul And Body and so is God.     

Who is God?     The Lord Jesus Christ who is also a man.     

We are Accepted In The Beloved who is Christ Jesus.     

His Holy Spirit will preserve us guilt free in anticipation of the completion of our redemption at Jesus` return.

Our spirit is greater than our soul and body.   The same is true of our Creator.   
You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.     If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Holy Spirit Father is larger than I.
Do we grasp the implication of what Jesus is saying here?     
He is saying that if we really love someone, we will rejoice when they go to the Father.     
Why?     Because the Holy Spirit Father is larger than anything on earth.     He fills the universe.     

To begrudge a person going to be with the Father is selfish and unloving.     

Since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit Of Christ, Jesus is talking about leaving the confines of his human physical body and returning to the Spirit Realm (heaven) where His Holy Spirit and His glory are most evident.     

In no way is Jesus subordinating Himself to His Holy Spirit Father.     As a matter of fact, Jesus claims to have all power in heaven and earth .     

Our Creator is first and foremost Spirit.   
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus is Spirit Soul And Body just like we are .     
    We are created in the image of God, so
    God is Spirit Soul And Body.     

This verse reveals to us that God is first and foremost Spirit
    He is the Holy Spirit.     
    The Holy Spirit is the Father of Christ Jesus.     
    Jesus and the Father are one.     
    Jesus is the express image of His Holy Spirit
    Jesus is God.     

Any Worship that does not acknowledge the Holy Spirit does not acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ.     Such worship is futile.     

The Word Of The Lord is Truth.     

Any Worship that does not honour the Truth does not acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ.     Such worship is futile.

Our Creator, in being the Holy Spirit, manifests Himself through the soul and body of Christ Jesus.   
No man has seen the Holy Spirit at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Holy Spirit, he has declared him.
Keep in mind:
    God is a Spirit
    Holy Spirit is God
    Holy Spirit is Father
    Holy Spirit is the Spirit Of Christ Jesus.     

I rather think that the Holy Spirit has not ever been `seen` and cannot be `seen`.     The fact that He is omnipresent means that there are no edges to His form.     Without edges a thing cannot be distinguished.     There must be something next to it with which to contrast it.     

Jesus revealed the Holy Spirit by operating in the Holy Spirit, speaking His words and doing His works.     

Jesus is Spirit Soul And Body.     

Jesus` Spirit is the Holy Spirit who gave birth to Him.     Jesus is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit and so He, in a sense, is His own Father.     

Jesus` Holy Spirit begat His body and fills Him, and crowns Him and manifests Himself (Holy Spirit) physically in Jesus.     

Being in the bosom of the Father speaks to the Soul and Body of Jesus resting in His own Holy Spirit.

Here Jesus is saying that He is the manifestation, the image, of the Holy Spirit.   

So, we must conclude that our Creator is One Lord just as was stated here:
Hear, O Israel: the Lord our Lord is one Lord:
How much plainer can it be made?     There are not three gods or persons, there is only one being who is Lord and His name is Jesus.     

Jesus Is Lord


When you read or hear the word, Lord, think Jesus.

Our Creator is Word and Spirit.   He is the living Word, Christ Jesus, whose Spirit is the Holy Spirit.   
In the beginning was the Soul, and the Soul was with the Holy Spirit, and the Soul was the Holy Spirit.
What does it mean by in the beginning was the Word ?     
    A `word` is an expression of an idea.     
    An idea comes from a mind that is self-aware and able to think.     
    When a word is spoken it has a purpose and it often has an intensity or emotion connected with it.     
    Mind, will and emotions constitute a Soul.     

So, the Soul Of God existed in the beginning.     

What does it mean by the Word was with God ?     
    God is a Spirit
    A spirit is the qualitative aspect of a being.     It represents the nature and value system of that being.     
    The spirit of a being is the essence of that being.     
    So, the Soul Of God was with the Spirit Of God in the beginning.     

What does it mean by the Word was God ?     
    It means that the Soul Of God and the Spirit Of God constitute one divine being.     

emphasizes the fact that the Soul Of God and the Spirit Of God existed in the beginning.     

tells us that this God who is Soul and Spirit created all things.     

tells us that Jesus made the world.     

tells us that the Soul Of God, the Word, was made flesh and dwelt among us.     Now we have the Body Of God.     This is Jesus.     

tells us that Jesus is the express image of God.     

So, God is a single being who is Spirit Soul And Body just as man is who was created in His image .     
    the Soul Of God,
    the Spirit Of God and
    the Body Of God
constitute one God as is emphasized in .     

The same was in the beginning with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit.     Before Jesus was born in the flesh, He existed as the image of the Holy Spirit in heaven and on earth, though His form may have changed as needed.     
These physical manifestations of preincarnate Jesus are called theophanies.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus is the eternal and Incarnate Word who spoke and the Holy Spirit created all things.

We are birthed into the Kingdom Of Christ by the Word and the Holy Spirit .    So Jesus is both our Father and our brother as His body was birthed by the Holy Spirit and we are Born Again by His Holy Spirit and Word.   

There is only One Father and He is Christ Jesus our Lord who is the Holy Spirit, Soul and Body of our Creator, Saviour, Lord and King.